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John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Feb 14 @ 1:33 PM ET
John Jaeckel: The Times That Try Mens' Souls
Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Feb 14 @ 1:35 PM ET

First....
Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Feb 14 @ 1:41 PM ET
Great post as usual JJ, and thanks for the ongoing info, love it!

Agreed on all you have said.

Time to win is now.....if it was up to me I would say trade TT bring up Dano on the rw
with Toews and get that LW to win another cup......and then...DYNASTY
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Feb 14 @ 1:41 PM ET
to be fair, the Vermette trade last year wasn't mortgaging the future. I was on board last year with that trade, and would be again this year.

I'm just not comfortable giving up a Dano for a rental. Think that's crazy.

Ask the Caps how that Erat for Forsberg trade with Nashville worked out.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Feb 14 @ 1:43 PM ET
you guys are going to trade for Jamie McGinn, (coga5)
ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 14 @ 1:45 PM ET
Great blog as always JJ. Something soon with the habs specifically or one of the aforemetionned rumored deals coming to fruition?

Thanks
artlarson
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: lake geneva, WI
Joined: 10.03.2013

Feb 14 @ 1:45 PM ET
JJ gerat stuff as usual. Time is now with our core.
Hossa1881
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 07.01.2011

Feb 14 @ 1:49 PM ET
to be fair, the Vermette trade last year wasn't mortgaging the future. I was on board last year with that trade, and would be again this year.

I'm just not comfortable giving up a Dano for a rental. Think that's crazy.

Ask the Caps how that Erat for Forsberg trade with Nashville worked out.

- vabeachbear


The only problem with that logic is that the rentals that the Hawks are interested in are all better than Erat was at the time of that trade, and NONE of the Hawks prospects have the ceiling that Forsberg has. Dano is not going to be as good as Forsberg, Teravainen probably won't be either. Not trying to put either of TT or Dano down, are they going to have pretty good careers? Probably.

We need to go for Cups while Toews, Kane, and Keith are all playing at superstar levels before the Oilers, Avalanche, and Buffalo kids learn how to win.
SUDA88
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.26.2012

Feb 14 @ 1:50 PM ET

This was a great read. Don't know what to think of the Montréal rumor..


I want Ladd back, badly.


DMChi2010
Joined: 06.03.2014

Feb 14 @ 1:54 PM ET
JJ - your writing is so logical and effective. Great stuff as usual.

You should go into politics or at least be the speechwriter for a practical, no-nonsense type of candidate. Imagine someone who can frame an argument responsibly and respond to all the challenges at hand by laying out a nice succinct train of logic for what needs to be done. By addressing the naysayers' concerns in a constructive but logical way and admitting feathers may be a little ruffled, you might actually get poopte done.
southernhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: of champions, AL
Joined: 01.19.2012

Feb 14 @ 1:59 PM ET
No better player on the team to replace hossa....is hossa lite...DANO
ILGolfer
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Northwest burbs, IL
Joined: 06.18.2015

Feb 14 @ 2:08 PM ET
Thanks JJ for your usual right to the point post. I'm not a hockey lifer (Dad was a golf pro, not a hockey pro, LOL) but the Blackhawks have been my #1 sports team since Dad took me to the old Stadium in 1967.

So from the perspective of someone who has lived thru the 1972-1973 SC Final game #7 collapse (on radio by the way), had season tickets for many years but had to give them up in the 90's as we refused to give Dollar Bill anymore of our hard earned money, and finally thru the awful stretch when you couldn't get 5000/game in the old barn to this.........NIRVANA.

Three Cups in 6 years and a possible 4 in 7 and being in contention for another 4-5 years and folks thinking we can stand pat because we can't mortgage the future? To be kind, are they nuts or just closet Wings fans.

The future is guaranteed to no one. Win today, trade TT or whomever to have a better statistical chance now than you had before said trade. I appreciate not mortgaging the future but these kids aren't going to be (or at least a high probability) a Kane, Toews, Keith, Hossa or even a Sharp. They can be solid contributors down the road for sure but probably on a Hawks team that can win a couple of rounds in the tournament but would need a hot goaltender or a fluke goal here in there to make a WCF or SCF.

As you put it so well in your piece, (paraphrasing) you thought the trade off for a SC last year being Dahlback and a late 1st rounder was probably worth it. And kudos to you, a true wordsmith, for saying you "probably would" when most of us fans would have said "of course it was, you ghost of Dollar Bill". No need to offend the "don't mortgage the future" crowd, let someone like me do it since I don't write for anyone's benefit.

As much as I'm sure Rocky would like the extra revenue from the home games if we were the #1 seed, the truth is it doesn't do the Wirtz family any good to have the #1 seed and then get showed the door in the 1st or 2nd rounds. As much as Rocky is a polar opposite in many ways to his Dad and Grandfather, he's still a Wirtz and money is still a fairly "high priority" for the organization.

John McD can trot out all the great marketing tie ins, build new facilities, work with youth hockey, etc to expand the fan base but nothing brings in revenue like sustained excellence on the ice. In fact, it can be said that the reason the Hawks do market like really no one else in pro sports in this country is for the precise reason that when the leaner times come....and they will as we all know......the UC doesn't have 5000-6000 folks in it but a full or 95% full crowd who come for some entertainment and some good hockey but those fans know deep in their heart their beloved Blackhawks really don't have much of a chance to win the SC.

So in summation.......do whatever the hell you need to do to win today......we're all just a second away from a fluke deflection off our defenseman in game #7 of the WCF and watching (or not) someone else playing for Lord Stanley's Cup.
Colbyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Summerside , PEI
Joined: 12.14.2013

Feb 14 @ 2:10 PM ET
Staal and Russell

I have faith in the GM to do what needs to be done

36 Year old's don't heal as quickly as 26 year old's even when you are Marion Hossa
jjcbeme
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.20.2012

Feb 14 @ 2:17 PM ET
COMPLETELY AGREE.

To the futurists... the moving of Garbutt to clear cap space next year now leaves team short of a suitable temp replacement for big Hoss. Not skilled but physical and now team even smaller until 81 is back.

Lastly, the objective is the Cup... not be competitive for many years. Possibly the dumbest idea I have ever heard.
93Joe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.09.2015

Feb 14 @ 2:22 PM ET
It's been echoed time and time again, but dang is it true - JJ your writing is Grade A in my opinion. Great blog that tells it like it is.

The more I think about it, the more it seems to make more sense. All in for a cup. I admittedly am one of those individuals who believe the future should not be mortgaged for an all in but now I think I may be wrong. So do you trade a Teravainen, Dano, Hartman, or Pokka for rental success? I have no clue. I guess time will tell. I would hate to see the three young forwards go, especially Dano and Hartman because of their limited NHL exposure. And of course Teravainen.

You're correct JJ. This is where things get fun and interesting.
Keep up the good work JJ.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 14 @ 2:31 PM ET
It's been echoed time and time again, but dang is it true - JJ your writing is Grade A in my opinion. Great blog that tells it like it is.

The more I think about it, the more it seems to make more sense. All in for a cup. I admittedly am one of those individuals who believe the future should not be mortgaged for an all in but now I think I may be wrong. So do you trade a Teravainen, Dano, Hartman, or Pokka for rental success? I have no clue. I guess time will tell. I would hate to see the three young forwards go, especially Dano and Hartman because of their limited NHL exposure. And of course Teravainen.

You're correct JJ. This is where things get fun and interesting.
Keep up the good work JJ.

- 93Joe





I have no problem trading Hartman Ross or Pokka for a rental but no way is trading Dano Or TT for a rental make any sense .

Now TT or Dano for a controllable assets sounds ok to me .
93Joe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.09.2015

Feb 14 @ 2:34 PM ET
I have no problem trading Hartman Ross or Pokka for a rental but no way is trading Dano Or TT for a rental make any sense .

Now TT or Dano for a controllable assets sounds ok to me .

- mrpaulish

I guess that is more of my train of thought Paul. I hope Stan stays firm on TT and Dano staying.
howiehandles
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.18.2010

Feb 14 @ 2:36 PM ET
Was that worth a Stanley Cup? I would argue it was.


And I would agree. First round pick every year in exchange for the Cup. Where do I sign?


Have any of the players the Hawks have either traded or not signed amounted to anything the Hawks wish they kept? Can't think of any. I'm not counting Saad, but players who only got a token trip to the UC.

All of them are available, some are more expensive than others. I'm sure they know, or believe, which ones are worth keeping, and which ones are replaceable. Pump and dump, and milk this thing for every Cup they can.
Dabearshawks
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 03.02.2015

Feb 14 @ 2:36 PM ET
All in it is!

Teuvo, Bickell, 1st rd pick, mid round pick, & Hartman for Skinner and Rask.

If Hossa is out:
Skinner-Toews-Shaw
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Desjardins-Rask-Panik
Rasmussen-Danault-Sekac

With Hossa:
Skinner-Toews-Hossa
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Desjardins-Rask-Shaw matchup problem deluxe!
Panik-Danault-Sekac
ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 14 @ 2:43 PM ET
I would love that deal dbh but would only want skinner at 25-50% retained. Otherwise hawks sacrifice kruger, shaw, maybe more especially if the cap goes down

JJ- do you think Scuderi is still waived/ demoted to get us much cap space as possible? I say he is
TheCore
Location: CO
Joined: 01.25.2016

Feb 14 @ 2:45 PM ET
Just like Q said postgame, there are guys who are going to get a lot more time now.

Panik and Sekac will get elevated roles IMO. Panik went in for Hoss, at least initially, and I think that's probably the best replacement we have. Sekac could get consistent third line minutes as well.

would love to see the old healthy scratch fall on Teuvo for the first time ever...
but then we need another call up or two to have him and Mash be press box buddies.

Also could be a nice Showcase City here the next few games for guys like McNeil or Ross and maybe Svedberg.

W/ Montreal could make a move for Fleischmann, wouldn't mind him for a low grade prospect or 4-5th rounder.

If Svedberg can stay up here for the remainder of the season (doubtful) and that wasn't a showcase I think we can come close to standing pat on D. I like his game as a platoon for Rozy. Especially over Skids

Other teams would give the prospect equivalent of their left nut for one solid run at the cup. We should do the same, not because its just another cup but as JJ said-
THE REPEAT.

were talking history here folks. were talking putting the hawks dynasty in cement.

As always, In Stan We Trust

Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Feb 14 @ 2:46 PM ET
If you can get the right return, there should not be any apprehension to trading most players. While I understand the 1LW and #4 d-man talk, I think it's simpler than that. We need a top 6 forward that can bury the chances that are available, and a defenseman that can be responsible in his own end and breakout quickly.

Not saying they can or would, but if it was an option, would anyone have a problem trading Hossa if it netted both of these? At this point in time, Hossa is a very good/great defensive forward and an average offensive one.

I'm less interested in who actually goes. I'm more interested in what comes back. As long as it gets us closer to strong puck possession, and and better shooting % I'm all for it.

I guess you have to consider team chemistry, but I'm of the opinion that if you are scoring goals and winning games, the chemistry will be there anyway.
TheCore
Location: CO
Joined: 01.25.2016

Feb 14 @ 2:51 PM ET

Not saying they can or would, but if it was an option, would anyone have a problem trading Hossa if it netted both of these? At this point in time, Hossa is a very good/great defensive forward and an average offensive one.

I'm less interested in who actually goes. I'm more interested in what comes back. As long as it gets us closer to strong puck possession, and and better shooting % I'm all for it.

I guess you have to consider team chemistry, but I'm of the opinion that if you are scoring goals and winning games, the chemistry will be there anyway.

- Chunk


I would have every problem in the world trading Hossa. Never going to happen.

be careful with looking for increased stats Chunk, you could end up being turned the way of James Tanner!
Dabearshawks
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 03.02.2015

Feb 14 @ 2:58 PM ET
If you can get the right return, there should not be any apprehension to trading most players. While I understand the 1LW and #4 d-man talk, I think it's simpler than that. We need a top 6 forward that can bury the chances that are available, and a defenseman that can be responsible in his own end and breakout quickly.

Not saying they can or would, but if it was an option, would anyone have a problem trading Hossa if it netted both of these? At this point in time, Hossa is a very good/great defensive forward and an average offensive one.

I'm less interested in who actually goes. I'm more interested in what comes back. As long as it gets us closer to strong puck possession, and and better shooting % I'm all for it.

I guess you have to consider team chemistry, but I'm of the opinion that if you are scoring goals and winning games, the chemistry will be there anyway.

- Chunk


Hossa is too valuable on and off the ice to trade.
DMChi2010
Joined: 06.03.2014

Feb 14 @ 2:59 PM ET
Other teams would give the prospect equivalent of their left nut for one solid run at the cup. We should do the same, not because its just another cup but as JJ said-
THE REPEAT.


were talking history here folks. were talking putting the hawks dynasty in cement.

As always, In Stan We Trust

- TheCore


I'd give the right nut, too! (Only after freezing a little semen first for a rainy day.)
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